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Zoicite☆For all I carry are murdered
jyuufish


You know, I watch Fandom Secrets but I don't really post. Why is that you ask? Because there are very few things that I hate in fandom, but I make then quite known on my own journal without having to resort to hiding behind a little so and so square of text on a graphic. I choose usually to be honest about what I like and dislike, who I like and dislike and ecetera.. it's the best way to go especially on an online venue such as this. I used to mod a game called squenix_uni and honestly, it closed down because both myself and shuufish did it mutually, because the other people that I had appointed co-mods made some decisions that were not the best. Yes in retrospect two wrongs do not make a right, but you know what.. if such feelings were arising from an online game, then it deserved to be closed. A year later, hark! life goes on! I am glad all of them found new games to go into.. and both I and shuufish still dabble in Squenix type stuff to this day.

One of the things I hate.. is Sigurd Harcourt/Bartholomew Fatima from Xenogears. Yes that is an actual pairing. OMG YOU MUST HAVE A THING ABOUT INCEST. No, not really.. there are many incestuous pairs that I ship quite freely. However placing both Sigurd and Bart in a relationship takes something away from the big brother and little brother dynamic that I have them pegged into them. Something seems almost wrong when people ship them, like they are tainting something precious. Someone asks me to read their Sigurd/Bart fic, I won't do it. Sure, I'll do it for a Sigurd/Kahr one (even though I do not like that pairing either.). There are not many pairings that I outrightly hate. I take a 'live and let live' approach generally. People like what they like, but someone even mentions Sigurd/Bart and I feel like vomitting.

Now the next subject I don't hate so much as it's just annoying. Dante from Devil May Cry. I didn't see what the fuss was about 4 years ago, I don't see what the fuss is now. Dante is a white haired guy with an overblown chest and ego. That's what I see. I mean you could pretty much take Sephiroth's face and Dante's and switch them. I can assure you that no one would be able to tell the difference. I can see why people like him, however I quite simply can't muster up the energy it takes to like him.

The Japanese version of HanaKimi. Not an accurate version. End of Story. Japan just needs to get themselves in gear and actually make an -anime-. But I attribute it to the fact that they are super competative with Taiwan and wanted to pwn their version. Guess what, the Taiwanese version was still better and indeed more accurate to the actual manga then the japanese version. All of the fangirls of the japanese drama got into it because of the actors. I can guarentee you that, especially when the name dropping started.

Yaoi fangirls. Now I am not referring to the people on my flist, I take pride in the fact that most of my friend's list are pretty accepting of the other genres of yuri and het. But those fans that think that loving a guy anally equates TRU PURE LUV!♥ ♥ ♥ really really frighten me. Seriously, have they ever -had- buttsecks? Well I have and I can assure you that it's not that mystical mind-blowing fall-in-love expirience that you think it is. Yes, I realize that it's fantasy, and that we are evil people for dragging rl into buttsecks, so yes.. keep to your self lubing asses and we'll try not to scream hypocrite when you post in your livejournals about how you want to see your two best male friend's make out.. what was that you said about dragging reality into buttsecks? Oh but what would I know, I'm clearly not a yaoi fan because I'm smashing your dreamzzzz.

Final Fantasy 7 fangirls. A majority of you scare me.. so I'm going to take my Rude and Tifa dolls and sit in this corner far away from you all and play quietly with shuufish's Reno and Aerith dolls. No, none of you are invited to watch. (unless you like Reno/Rude or Tifa/Aerith.) This also goes for most of the Kingdom Hearts fangirls (though fukai_umi was the greatest and wrote me Kairi/Namine)

I think that fandom should start being fun again. What has made it not so fun is elitists, the pairing wars and the screaming of BNF. Who cares about being a BNF? What's important is that everyone has fun, that people remain approachable, and you don't take yourself so seriously. All of those anonymous fandom hate memes? What's the purpose? It's all about dragging people down into the gutter. All of the energy that you are wasting being elitist and striking people down, you should stop and go "I'm being retarded, I should write some porn to repent". Then we'd have more porn and less asshattery. I have yet to see anyone complain about too much porn. (unless it is rabid het fans who go "omg no more buttsecks" in their little hidey-holes where others of their type gather.. but what I say to them is 'go write some fricking het porn and stop complaining'.)

Have we had enough of my random rantings? I promise I do not rant that often, just the end of the year gets to me and I like to get everything out of my system before I make the fresh start. Hopefully I did not piss off any of you guys.... and if I did, I apologize. But hey, I did put everything underneath a cut text.

Where is this mythical Kairi/Namine you speak of? I wants it.

A lot of these are the reasons that I generally avoid fandom... I m just ... not patient enough for all the drama that comes with fandom.

I feel so lucky to have found the easygoing people in fandom who are able to deal with the fact that not everybody likes everything.

BNFs, bah, who cares? Shipping wars, why is it such a big deal? Isn't the point of fandom to have fun?

PS, you're awesome--and more eloquent than I am. :D

Apparently, not. I learned from the Harry Potter fandom that you can only ship canon because JKR says so! And from the FFXII fandom, I learned I can't ship Larsa/Penelo (even if it's not at all sexual, or even if it takes place in the future) because that makes me a pedophile.

I honestly don't get it, either.

Dante from Devil May Cry
I thought exactly the same thing before I started playing the game (well DMC3 at least, I couldn't get the hang of the controls on the first two) and Dante's cockyness made me want to bitchslap him upside the head. Constantly. As I played the game though I began to like him more but he still remains one of those characters that even if you like him you still want to smack him.

keep to your self lubing asses and we'll try not to scream hypocrite when you post in your livejournals about how you want to see your two best male friend's make out..
I think it's because I was a slash fan first before I got into yaoi (because though some people don't see a difference, yaoi is usually anime/manga/game characters and slash in real person tv/film/etc) I luckily missed out on being moronic yaoi fangirl who loves crying ukes, self lubing holes, and rape = love. But the retarded ones drive me batshit insane.

As for fandoms and BNF's I've been in two...three major fandoms that have had both and I hate it. Whether you're attacked for liking a pairing that isn't popular, or you enjoy the pairing that is the top rival to OTPOMG it's stupid. Ship wars are the worst. I dunno which I hated more when I was involved Harry Potter wars (didn't affect me much as I wasn't a het reader so Hr/H or Hr/R didn't bother me) or Queer as Folk. That fandom had crazy voodoo making people all to get their OTP. (And whilst the FF7 shipwars is dumb, luckily it's mostly on the het side so I could stay clear) But ya... fandom makes people insane.

Whee I babbled a lot. O_o


Oh no don't worry, and well I guess I just had alot of people that exposed me to Dante in the worst sense, and who declared themselves the BNF of the devil may cry fandom, and I just wanted to puke about that.

Pairings are meant to be liked. I mean I don't charge into the Bart/Sigurd conclave and go "OMG U GUYZ R WRNG?"

I try to keep out of things that might make me sick, you know?

I totally agree about Dante. I don't get the hype about Sephiroth either, honestly. I even really like silver/white haired guys, AND long haired guys (hello, ShunJyuu is one of my OTPs) but... ergh.

Yaoi fangirls

See, whenever people rant about "x" fangirls, I don't get it. It's ALL rabid fangirls. ALL of them. They're ALL bad. None of them are any worse than any others. End of story. Sorry to say.

PS: erotica, for me, is generally not hot because it is magical and amazing or whatever. Erotica is hot because it is dirty and nasty, and is occasionally hot because there is NO lube. People writing about self-lubing asses might want to take this into account...

Yes, however what you consider as bad is subjective and I was just what I consider just to be really I guess bleah. This was a highly opinionated rant I suppose and yes I see how all fangirls have a bit of horrid in them

The issue of buttsecks is not really black and white anyway you look at and as someone who also tried it and actually find it pleasant enough if not orgasmic I am not even equating it completely with homosexuality... I gave prostate masage to men before - I know how it can work and I know how it can totaly be a het thing ... you know, having a woman stick a finger in there is acceptable and fun but having a penis shoved up there is an absolute no-no for some guys...

The point is that I actually agree with you - fangirls can be a trial on the brain because they loose perspective so fast and neglect to envision the broad practice of sexual preferences and practices out there.

I am actually a big fan of the self lubricating anus by the way BECAUSE it is so amusingly removed from reality... that and I would have loved one... it could be extremely usefull... not sure what for but I am certain I can find something to do with it ^^;;

I don't hate it.. I think that self lubing asses are quite amusing, but you know.. when you are using the fact that yaoi is made of fantasy (and it is) then don't do anything that smacks of reality.. like slashing your two friends together. I think that buttsecks is totally wonderful.. I love it.. alot, else I wouldn't be RPing it constantly. But some fangirls just ugh.

I am pretty good at quietly ignoring a lot of things. I do have to agree though that some people seem to take fandom way too far. *nods* When anything that is supposed to be fun stops being fun and becomes way to serious one is out of touch with planet reality ;)

I fangirl over certain things...but mostly I just mellowly enjoy the scenery ;) I would be lying though if I said that there are not certain things that make me want to beat people with sticks.



Edited at 2007-12-30 05:19 pm (UTC)

I know.. I like my stuff quite silly. I mean where-else can I get Byakuya stuffing cute little plushies into Rukia's stocking and pretending that he "OMG DID NOT DO IT"

Good thing I'm not a crazy FF7 fangirl... I just really really like it. XD;

I haaate the elitists in fandom. You're right. There's just no reason.

No one should be offended by anything you've said. I think these are all legitimate opinions.

I liked FF7 in some places, hated it in others.. and there are alot of fangirls who just go apeshit over it where they just.. I don't know, become beings of irrationality, but that can happen with any fandom if not checked.


Wow, I totally hear you on the "fandom should be fun." I can't help but think that some people feel the need to play the bullies and the Queen Bees on the internet because their real lives are either nonexistent or devoid of social gratification. XD

Also, those scary yaoi fangirls? They are almost always teenage virgins. I find this amusing.

I was writing porn way before I became a non-virgin which makes me laugh when I read over that porn.. seriously. It has a special place in my heart for whacked out.

Devil May Cry

I only really like Dante for one reason: he's a smart ass. Sure, he's pretty to look at, but when it comes down to it, I like a character with a dirty mouth and drips sarcasm. He's a bit jaded, too, which makes it fun. Anything else, bah. But give me a girl with the same ability to curse and talk about the size of their genitalia (it's in the manga) and I'll be all over that, too.

Yaoi Fangirls

I have a great example of this:
I have a friend who RPs yaoi, right? Oh, but it's ALL mpreg, with most of the men sporting vaginas from some fashion or another. She also, personally, digs girls in a romantic fashion.
But the second I mentioned playing Elena, for every post I put on my LJ about it, she wrote "EW GIRLS" literally. That would be her entire comment.
How infuriating! I find that mentality not only insulting, but embarrassing. Your men are girls with child (and trust me, even emotionally they are) and vaginas, and you yourself like women, but you can't stand anyone writing about an actual born-from-scratch woman? It makes no sense! RAWR.

Final Fantasy 7

I don't post my fics in it anymore, as it's gotten too elitist for me. I, in fact, find myself really self-conscious of the entire community and almost dropped because of the general backlash of everything in it.



We all have characters that others don't like. I know that I like Takumi from the Nana fandom, I actually adore him and like to pair him with Hachi. But he's an asshole with some moments of lucidity. I know that there are alot of fans that would jump down my throat for liking him. And you know what, so what? I'm proud to like Takumi. I guess that is the same with you. I understand that you like Dante and I respect that, I just don't care for him all that much.

And oh that made my brain hurt. Your friend, just ugh. I am a lesbian yes as well.. but I do like yuri and het.. have done RPing of both. And the mpreg.. oh gods. I mean if someone can seriously make it work in a fic, then good for them, I mean I am in an RP where a male merman is going to have a baby *but to even it out, the females can father children as well so that no one goes about feeling special* It took alot of reworking and sort of editing of a merperson's reproductive system but I think I did it plausibly. But well babies -have- to come from somewhere and I'm all for creativity.

Your friend though would be horrified to find out that OMG I SHIP ELENA/TSENG. (oh noes, no hot tseng/rufus action omgnoes)

The Final Fantasy 7 fandom is a scary scary place.

Mmm... Reno/Rude and Tifa/Aerith... the FFVII and Kingdom Hearts fangirls also scare me, which is why I stay far away from those fandoms. I have a big list of scary fandoms that I need to stay away from.

Word on thinking that fandom needs to start being fun again. I don't get pairing wars, at all. Someone likes a pairing I don't like? So what! Plus being a BNF isn't as fun as those who want to be one think it is. They need to stop worrying about being famous in fandom and just have fun. And I've never understood the point of hate memes. I just try to ignore people I don't like, which doesn't always work but it's better than having a bunch of hate memes.

You have a list too? OMG! So do I!

Hate memes are just lame, I think that it's better to take joy in what is fun in fandom. And sometimes I guess keeping to yourself with the fandom is the safest bet, and I'm lucky to be living with my partner in crime because we pretty much have our own two person fandom, in which everything is fun, sparkly and we have Fuuma dancing around in a glittery tutu.

These are indeed all legitimate opinions. Indeed, all I can say on FF7 and Kingdom Hearts is that I hope you don't hate me for loving them *dramatic sniffle*

In all honesty though, I usually avoid both of the fandoms. Mostly because there are shipping wars and silly fangirls (which I can become). I am a hermit, in more ways than one...my expanse of a fandom usually doesn't go beyond my F-list and a couple of communities that I might or might not be stalking. This is good because I miss all of the bad things--this is also bad because I miss most everything else.

(And I like Reno/Rude.)

About Dante...I watched the Devil May Cry anime...and I must say, I think the only reason I watched was to see some action, because Dante himself is not that interesting. As for the Dante/Sephiroth comparison, it is only increased because Sephiroth's seiyuu (Morikawa) for recent FF7 things also voiced Dante. I still like Sephiroth better though.

And I am *so* glad I avoided writing sex scenes like the plague when I was younger...I've successfully avoided the self-lubricating anus by doing so XD Go me.

(I hope this is lucid, I'm still sleepy. I shouldn't check my LJ so early...what a nerd I am.)

I love you, I really do. And you know.. I think that sometimes it's safer. I mean I'll comment from my journal about various things and do the occasional iconing, but well it doesn't matter.. the most important thing to do is have FUN!

I think I like Sephiroth better too.. and Morikawa = sex

Well I have and I can assure you that it's not that mystical mind-blowing fall-in-love expirience that you think it is.

*dies laughing*

Personally I really like Dante, ever since the first DMC game I've been a squeeing fangirl for him lol

I do totally agree about the FFVII fangirls. A lot of them drive me up a wall which is why I only read fics from a couple people on my flist and that's about it.

All in all I just try to ignore all the crap (read: drama) that fandoms seem to conjure forth at whim. But I have alot of practice in ignoring drama, you think fangirls are bad, you should meet some of the people I know in real life lol ;)

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It means "Big Name Fan". and it also means that they probably have a line of followers and they write mass loads of fanfictions and everyone strocks their egos, and they evidentally have the self-given powers of ex-communicating anyone from said fandom. It's not a good term.

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Well you know, as far as the anal sex goes, it isn't for everyone. Too much information but I personally liked it, alot.. but that came with easing up. I started small and worked my way up. There are some toys that actually feel quite good, mainly like those vibrating eggs. But once again it isn't for everyone and there has to be ALOT of lube.

You know, I always knew I was a lesbian, I just denied it. I mean I did not see the fact that I had crushes on all my best female friends as being a major sign though I can see it now. I mean I suppose some advice to give to you is soul searching, figure out what you want and how you want it.. not just sexually but emotionally as well.

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I think that you can be a fangirl, I guess I should of put deluded fangirl.. that would of been probably closer to home, because I have my moments of fangirl. Where I'm just like "OMG THAT IS AWESOME!